ACC Player of the Year and Coach of the Year

[CoeburnCane]

Getting 74% of the vote isnt a slam dunk choice?

i think every President would disagree

Then we disagree on semantics. Big whoop. I still haven't said anything out of the way in this thread that I couldn't back up.

[Biggin]

well, except claiming someone's whole argument is worthless because they happen to be a fan, i guess you are right.

but getting 75% of the vote, and putting up the stats that GV did in the ACC, its a slam dunk choice

[R0cketer]

If you have to keep telling yourself that your opinion is 100% right, sounds like you got a problem

[Biggin]

And if you keep repeating yourself without any facts, or statistics, sounds like you have a problem admitting being wrong.

50%=Even, a toss up.
51%=A Majority
75%, 3/4=The obvious choice

[R0cketer]

Oh lord no, I can admit being wrong. Do it quite often. Just don't think that its a slam dunk choice, not when numbers are close across the board.

By the PVFan logic, when of course its not a team he supports, Vasquez shot 21 times tonight, and his team lost, and its easy to get 17 points when you shoot 21 times, and etc etc etc

Of course this time, he was facing triple-teams and was what the entire focus was on stopping since its a team he supports

Here's the problem, the guy probably is the best player in the league. No problem with that, but a big problem with the inability for anybody to have a different opinion when its counter to your favorite team.

If someone has watched Kentucky all year, you could make an argument for Wall or Cousins to be player of the year. Heck you could probably make a good argument for Paterson being the most valuable player. If you watched it today, Cousins wouldn't be in the argument. If you watched them lose earlier this year, you would swear that Dockett was the best player in the league. You had Smith being by far the best player on UT, they boot him off, you think they are dead, yet they still battle and win. It's the same type argument, there are seldom slam dunks. Maybe a players system makes them better, if you watch them every game and someone else a few games, you probably can see the little things they do or if you're against the other team, you see one of their players have a bad game and write them off.

One of the worst things that a lot of us do on here, myself included at times, is taking off our respective glasses and seeing that just because we think something, doesn't make it a slam dunk.

Being a Clintwood fan, going football-wise, I could honestly state that if someone seen Clintwood one game or two, or even a few, they would have thought that a player like Bevel didn't have the year this year that he had last year. Of course last year, he also had another guy on the line like Hull. Being there and seeing what he faced game-in, game-out, I can realize he was better this year. Same idea and I do understand the argument why someone could think he wasn't as good but there is no way to put numbers that make it better. We love to crunch numbers, but we all twist them around to pick the way we want. What is the saying, tell me what numbers you want, I'll find a way to make them fit what you need. Creative accounting, and it works with players.

Again, the guy is probably the POY and it may be a clear choice but when someone who is a fan of the team is the one talking about something being a slam dunk choice, it kind of rings hollow.

[pvfan]

It's just dumb, he played awful tonight. It's a regular season award, he was hands down the best player in the regular season. You can find posts on here where I said PV was second in the LPD in football and CW was 1 due to their head to head win. I just use common sense, something that you and Cane simply can't do.

[Rocky]

It's just dumb, he played awful tonight. It's a regular season award, he was hands down the best player in the regular season. You can find posts on here where I said PV was second in the LPD in football and CW was 1 due to their head to head win. I just use common sense, something that you and Cane simply can't do.

how are they not using common sense when all that they have said is that the other two players in question were also good choices for the award? It could have went all 3 ways. IMHO the deserving player won the award, and i would have been surprised if vasquez didnt win. SURPRISED, not SHOCKED. i dont see the argument here, ive read this thread at least 10 times and im not finding the argument, they both agree that your player should have won the award but that it was close. If im ina pass punt kick competition, and i throw the ball 62 yards, punt 59 yards, kick 45 yards and you throw 63 punt 61, and kick 47 thats not that big of a difference. the stats were close.

and in closing i want to say grats vasquez YOU DESERVED IT